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 | Subject: Debating Reductionalism Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:52 am | |
| I have an interesting debate topic to launch here, and I'll do so without expressing any opinion, because I'm really sitting on the fence on this one. It's a matter thing. The theory of Reductionalism asserts that if we break anything down to it's smallest components, we will find one single smallest piece; the Greek's atom.String theory is an example of this; it proclaims that little vibrating bits of pure energy, which we label "strings", make up everything in the universe.We're not just talking physical matter, but energies, too. It proclaims that all things, from your body, to the magical radiation we call "light", to the invisible forces of gravity and motion, and even the convincing illusions of space, time, and physical mass, are all created by variations of this one atom component. Strings can vibrate different ways, thus producing different interactions, which blossom into everything we perceive and interpret as reality. Of course, string theory is not synonymous with Reductionism, it is merely an example of the theory: Every component of the universe is made of one singular smallest piece. Now, you know that there wouldn't be a debate here unless there was an antithesis to this theory, and there is one, but it lacks a name. Let's call it Irreducibility. According to the theory of Irreducibility, everything exists in fractals. Take the universe. Look at it, and note that it has components that are exponentially smaller than it is; galaxies. A galaxy is like a cloud; mostly empty space with stars in it. Those stars are exponentially smaller than their parent galaxies. Galaxies have stars, and planets, which are made of molecules, which are made of atoms. And atoms, we know, are like little solar systems, with all their exponentially smaller components spinning around in a startling amount of empty space. According to Irreducibility, we just keep going. Those "point particles" are actually little galaxies of their own, and made of exponentially smaller components, which are in turn made of something smaller, and down we go into a practical infinity. The theory states that we will never find the smallest piece, because there is none. Scarier yet is the theory of inverted mass, which claims that the reason for Irreducibility is very simple: None of those things actually exist at all, and instead the only thing that does exist is the empty space between them. The universe is 99.999% empty space, and that space is in fact matter, and what we perceive as matter is just the holes between matter. Getting in a little deep, aren't we?Well, I want to hear what other people think. Could any of these ideas be true at all? Does it even matter (pun unintended), or are we on a totally pointless mission from the moment we begin searching for the bits and pieces of reality? We may not reach a Truth on this subject, but every idea that floats by is still pretty damn cool. |
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 | Subject: Re: Debating Reductionalism Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:17 am | |
| Of course you can debate that "Irreductibility" is only part of the truth, and in fact all things have an exponentially larger form and that we ourselves our simple beings floating on an electron and that the center of our galaxy, which is theorized to be a mammoth black hole is actually a nucleus. And that there are even greater beings pondering this same thing. |
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 | Subject: Re: Debating Reductionalism Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:49 am | |
| Brilliant. You arrive and the intelligence begins. I hope all of our members are this enthusiastic. Theoretically, I'd like to see a name for your concept, but it seems to imply Inverse Irreductibility (which you have actually corrected my spelling on). Is it a new idea, though? No, not really. Irreducibility/Irreductibility claims that there are fractally smaller levels for everything, which automatically implies that there are also fractally larger levels as well. It would be stunning if our universe was someone elses atom.Perhaps our atom is also someone elses universe. | Quote: | | even greater beings pondering this same thing. |
is a cool concept, but they could be smaller beings as well. _________________ If you'd like to make a call, please hang up and try again. If you need help, JOIN THE FUCKING CLUB!
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 | Subject: Re: Debating Reductionalism Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:56 am | |
| This can be considered because, according to science, we are walking in the empty place between molecules, which is why we cannot kill microbes by stepping on them. |
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